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Meat.

Jhonny

Officially The Worst
I'm one of those immoral people who has been eating meat all of his life and having to ignore that little voice in the back of my head that says that eating animals is wrong.

So this thread is quite simply either putting forward your justifications for eating meat, or your rationale behind being a vegetarian/vegan, and then...debating.

My pretty undeveloped reasoning why I don't eat meat is just that it seems pretty likely that a lot of animals have some kind of mental states, and that it's wrong to rob them of this when there are now alternatives.

I know that this is a pretty weak position, but I would like to see your reasons for what you order at a restaurant.
 
Meat is an integral part of the human diet - we are designed to be omnivores.

However, our sentience gets in the way, and there are some who would rather eat only plants, despite humans designed to partake of both plant and beast.
 
Humans are omnivores, they eat both animals and plants. Lots of animals eat other animals, I fail to see why humans should be any different.

If humans had evolved into herbivores, we wouldn't eat meat =p
 
^ and it's a matter of taste and preference, since a person's cognitive faculty eggs him to do what s/he thinks is right/comfortable. But the "id" might have something to do with it as well.

EDIT: I was referencing to ~Magic Thunderbolt's post. ChronaMew beat me to get the third slot.
 
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If people want to eat meat, they'll eat meat. If people don't want to eat meat, then they won't.

I'm for both sides. I mean, I really wish I could be a lifetime vegetarian, because I do feel bad when I eat meat. It's just, I need to survive ..and I don't really eat much anyways. So when I tried to be a vegetarian ..I was really eating nothing ..and I got really sick.

I mean ..the only meat I really eat basically is chicken anyways. But people do need meat for their growth. Meat is a big part of the diet. Without meat, even just chicken ..I was getting sick. That just tells that meat does a lot for you.

Animals eat animals. Humans are animals. We'll eat other animals as well. It's apart of the cycle.
 
I eat meat, but I eat more fish and Chicken more then Steak.

it's natural since people are animals, and animals are adapted to eat a specific Diet. but ours is anything found on a plate and cooked.
 
I don't like the idea that my food is tormented, and lives a life of misery before being slaughtered, but I'm not going to butcher a cow. If you feel that it's immoral, then by all means, don't eat meat. I only eat meat that has at least enjoyed life somewhat, hence I only have preservative-laced milkshakes at Mickey D's...

Survival of the fittest, people. We're designed to intake meat, and I'd rather keep my body the way it was meant to be than abstain from consuming the flesh of animals...

...Though I think it's immoral to eat veal and lamb...
 
i'll eat anything cept baby animals like veal and lamb. (even though they taste so good. i felt horrible afterwards.) besides that i thik it's survival of the fittest!
 
I've been a vegetarian for about six years now, mainly because I don't want to be perpetuating the horrid treatment of factory-raised animals before they're killed.
At least, that's what I tell myself. But then, I won't eat kosher meats, so I don't know if that's the real reason either.
I'm not sure why I am one, but now that I am, It'd be weird to go back.

Of course, while it is easier to eat meat in order to maintain a healthy diet, in no way is it required that we do so. My stepbrother Mike has been a vegan nearly his entire life, and he's one of the healthiest people I know. It just takes commitment and know-how. If you want to be a vegetarian/vegan, you really have to know what you're doing.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, the food chain
All joking aside, humans were designed to eat meat and vegetables, hence us being omnivores. Sure the conditions we put the animals in aren't great, but history has shown that humans have put humans through a lot worse.

Honestly I believe it is insane to give what were gonna eat "rights", as really if we want the food industry to survive they need to be able to make profit, and I think a mass famine in the western world is far more important thing to avoid than spending excess money in making sure your dinner is happy while it's alive.
 
The argument I would advance here is that the immorality of killing is best derived from two main things, them being sentience and suffering. For one thing I don't think most animals are sentient (or sentient to any great degree), and thus I don't think this question is that significant (however I would argue that it is immoral to kill chimpanzees, elephants and cetaceans from this, but these aren't typically killed for food anyway). On the other hand I think it's undoubtable that most animals suffer and feel a degree of pain, and this can be demonstrated both through the actions of animals and an examination of their brains (it's known that the ability to feel pain is closely linked to the thalamus and the connections around that part of the brain, and most mammals have highly developed thalamoi/thalami). I think from this a decent logical and moral basis for treating animals well, criminalising animal abuse and other such "animal rights" measures can be constructed. However when you're dealing with the killing of other animals for a significant reason, for example for food or say culling to maintain the ecological balance, the needs of either the ecosystem or sentient beings in the form of humans (the right to nutrition) override those of individual animals.

An interesting thought experiment though which I would consider any vegetarians to think about is this though. If a pig was genetically engineered so that it wanted to be eaten and its life goal was to be your dinner, would you eat it?
 
An interesting thought experiment though which I would consider any vegetarians to think about is this though. If a pig was genetically engineered so that it wanted to be eaten and its life goal was to be your dinner, would you eat it?

Ah... that's a very nice question there. Reminds me of a brainwashed "slave race" who wants/enjoys enslavement. I'm not a vegetarian so I can't answer this properly, but I'm guessing they still won't eat pork. I still would like to hear a vegetarian's point of view.
 
Morals are a human creation and have nothing to do with biology
Meat gives us proteins which we need to survive
Supplements just don't work all that well

Humans evolved as Omnivores, we can eat what we want and how we want and no human emotions or morals should come in the way of a healthy diet and the need to survive
 
...Though I think it's immoral to eat veal and lamb...
Why? Because they are just small, young animals? Well... think about it this way. Carnivores (lions, wolves, etc) kill and eat small, young animals all the time. We are omnivores. Therefore we should be able to eat small, young animals as well. So there. It's personal choice, though...

All other types of meat, however, should also be eaten. This is how we evolved, how we were made. Take a look at your teeth (use a mirror). They are made for eating plants, but meat as well. It also comes down to convenience. Meat has iron, protein, etc. Some plants, like beans, have protein in them, but in smaller quantities. And try getting iron from plants. Meat (in combination with plants- after all you need Vitamin C and stuff as well) is important.
In my opinion, the only meat that should not be eaten is meat from poisonous/endangered/morally special (cats, dogs, cows for some people) animals. But that's just my take on the subject.
 
I eat meat, because i simply hate vegetables - but i love fruit so it's balanced a bit
but i eat meat because without it, i wouldn't be able to get the nessecary proteins, irons and nutrients that can only be attained from meat.

I don't eat lamb - because whenever i try to an image of a little fluffy baby sheep pops into my head
I dont eat duck - because i quite like ducks and ducklings, again, make it's debut upon my conscience
 
Finally, a chance to post an essay I had to write for CALM once.

Vegetarianism

Animals are what make meat, a simple fact of life. And so, certain animals are raised in unhealthy and unsanitary conditions, and are sometime treated very cruelly as we see one videos on Youtube nowadays, so many young people decide that they have had enough of our barbaric meat eating ways and say that they are going to swear off meats, and often trying to convince others that we have been lead astray in the past and must stop harming animals to gain food that we do not truly need. Some people merely do it because it is the latest trend, and want to keep up with what’s ‘cool’ nowadays. What some vegetarians don’t seem to realise is that humans are natural carnivores, our canine teeth being proof of this, and generations of being omnivores and eating meat for nutrients has made our bodies a little more dependant on the flesh then we may realise.
In a very interesting article, I read that having a truly healthy vegetarian diet is very hard to obtain. I have seen the effects personally of a non balanced vegetarian diet on a friend of mine, and despite the health issues she has begun to developed over her years of being vegetarian, she refuses to return to the ‘cruel and evil’ ways of meat. Believing every little thing groups like PETA post on the internet about animal cruelty, it seems to be impossible to her to believe that not all farms chop off chicken beaks so they can’t fight and shove them into large dark barns where they sit for months at a time before being slaughtered, or that not ever piece of beef was once a veal calf, shoved into a crate and not allowed to move so the meat would be tender. And I think this is the leading reason why people decide to go vegetarian, because they believe that meat is cruel, and the story ends at that. Surely, our body does not need the protein meat provides to survive?
Some of the health problems you can risk when becoming vegetarian range from
Zinc and Iron Deficiency
DHA (Omega 3 fatty acid) Deficiency
Protein-Energy Malnutrition
And other deficiencies and malnutrition’s. Many vegetarians are known to be drowsy or unfocused because of low vitamin levels.

In the article I mentioned before, it stated that a truly healthy vegetarian diet may have only one answer, and that is that everything must be eaten raw so that nutrient are not cooked out of the food. Since grains and soy beans (They are toxic raw) cannot be eaten raw, there goes the entire grain food group. In order to gain needed protein for the lack of meat, you will have to eat things that are produced by animals. Eggs are an amazing source of this protein, and if you are vegetarian, to be healthy it is recommended that you eat around eight eggs raw so that you may gain what you need.
Something that many vegetarians do turn to is soy bean. Soya beans are toxic when eaten raw, but can be eaten cooked. And when cooked, Soya beans crosslink, creating mutagenic, carcinogenic substances and become and appetite enhancer, and can upset the hormonal balance in women and cause menstrual problems. Soya beans also contain an anti-nutrient which will makes essential nutrients useless.

I think that people must learn to accept the facts of life. I am not writing this to tell vegetarians that their moral choices are wrong, but warning the consequences these actions may have against yourself and those around you. People must realise that even though it is your life, and you have complete control over it, your decisions do not just affect yourself. You will always have someone that cares about you, no matter what you think, and when you hurt yourself, even if it is over guilt that something your eating was once a living, breathing creature, it is something that nature has provided and it is natural for humans to eat meat. This is something that is a completely personal choice, however, and there is no one that should be able to force you to change your mind. It is your decision and your decision alone. Just hope that you make the right one for yourself, and make sure that you know the facts when you decide on something.

Basically, my thoughts in a nutshell on vegetarianism.
 
An interesting thought experiment though which I would consider any vegetarians to think about is this though. If a pig was genetically engineered so that it wanted to be eaten and its life goal was to be your dinner, would you eat it?

Douglas Adams, is that you?

I was misled by the title. This thread has nothing to do with male genitalia. That said, I'm not a vegetarian for the same reason I'm not an anorexic: no self-control. I love hamburgers, all fish, fried chicken, and bacon.

The most logical reason to be a vegetarian that I can see (besides losing weight), would be as a stand against factory farming, which ruins ecosystems. However, without a movement behind it, it seems a little silly.
 
Finally, a chance to post an essay I had to write for CALM once.
Basically, my thoughts in a nutshell on vegetarianism.
I basically agree with you. But for those stuck with the idea of animal cruelty=wanting to not eat meat, Just how many of these farms actually do cruel things to the animals they raise? I feel if anything the website proclaim these things are just using scare tactics at most.
 
An interesting thought experiment though which I would consider any vegetarians to think about is this though. If a pig was genetically engineered so that it wanted to be eaten and its life goal was to be your dinner, would you eat it?
While not a 'true' vegetarian (I do eat fowl), I say no. That pig won't taste better, and the 'genetically engineered' part just makes it sound so... artificial? I dunno, I don't eat meat because of the taste/texture, not because of morality or whatever.
 
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